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City of Victorville Docs - Closed June 2015
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Some of Victorville's tickets can possibly be ignored.  If your "ticket" does not have the Superior Court's name and address on it, it is what I call a "Snitch Ticket."  For more details, see the Snitch Ticket section on the Your Ticket page.



Do you live in LA County?  Was Zev Yaroslavsky your County Supervisor?  (He represented the Third District, which includes the central and western San Fernando Valley, Malibu, Santa Monica, Venice, Beverly Hills, the City of West Hollywood, and part of Hollywood.)

Zev "termed out," and in the Nov. 2014 election Sheila Kuehl won the race to succeed him, by a narrow margin.

Sheila Kuehl authored 3 speed
                camera bills
Sheila "Kuehl Kams" Kuehl, in 2007

During her career in the California Legislature, Kuehl made three attempts to pass bills to allow the use of automated speed enforcement (photo radar) in California.

We need to watch Kuehl carefully, because as a Supervisor she will have a seat on the MTA/Metro board and she will be a vote to continue and expand their huge (101 cameras, so far) red light camera system.

Kuehl will be up for re-election in Nov. 2018 and Nov. 2022.



In June 2012 CalTrans revoked the encroachment permit they issued to Victorville.  Then, under political pressure, they reinstated it.  See footnote # 13, below.   


City of Victorville Docs Set # 1
Ticket Counts

New 4-24-09, updated 8-2-15

This table made by highwayrobbery.net using 2008-2009 data from a spreadsheet prepared by the sheriff combined with 2008-2012 RedFlex Customer Management Reports.

Cam #
AMBE
BEAM
BVHE
BVIN
BVMA
BVSE
D701
D703
GTSE
HEBV
HESI
INBV
LPSE
PAAM
PAPA
SELP






Amar-
Gosa
SB@
Bear
Bear
WB@
Amar-
gosa
Bear
WB@
Hes-
peria
Bear
EB@
Indus-
trial
Bear
WB@
Mari-
posa
Bear
WB@
7th
D
WB@
7th
[13]


D
EB@
7th


Green-
tree
@
7th
Hes-
peria
SB@
Bear
Hes-
peria
SB@
Silica
Indus-
trial
SB@
Bear
La
Paz
EB@
7th
Palm-
dale
EB@
Amar-
gosa
Palm-
dale
WB@
Park
7th
SB@
La
Paz


[3]
Total
Violations
Recorded/
Notices
Printed
[1] [4]

Mar08
[9]
374
312
856
531



-
-













843

Apr08
574
347
1140
663
47
16
25
22
75
42
116
59


162
52
330
157
146
77
2
0







2617
1435

May08
589
319
950
432
243
105
528
351
500
165
289
161


195
69
995
426
594
292
21
14







4904
2334

Jun08
393
194
682
363
108
73
413
254
325
112
149
76


128
55
443
154
466
243
17
8
774
370


1030
290



5008
2192

Jul08
[9]
367
180
429
193
101
44
289
167
306
81
238
126


59
31
466
132
394
206
76
19
541
226


536
53



1458

Aug08
[8]
-
190
-
139
-
60
-
177
-
89
-
112


-
49
-
89
-
157
-
23
566
264


527
201



-
1552

Sep08
[8]
-
128
-
278
-
41
-
175
-
125
-
81


-
37
-
56
-
212
-
25
376
159


390
179



-
1484

Oct08
[9]
346
143
541
238
102
38
348
214
316
139
241
94


133
48
235
81
368
159
49
20
313
116


370
171



1461

Nov08
[8]
-
142
-
164
-
52
-
118
-
143
-
79


-
73
-
184
-
123
-
17
-
110


-
207



-
1412

Dec08
[8]
-
205
-
233
-
27
-
90
-
94
-
130


-
74
-
164
-
112
-
17
-
188


-
228



-
1562

2008





















Jan09
[9]
237
108
252
196
70
37
239
184
143
79
120
86



454
155
210
131
53
21
175
124


389
227



1348

Feb09
[8]
-
110
-
146
-
25
-
230
-
76
-
22


-
68
-
137
-
123
-
25
-
68


-
164



-
1194

Mar09



















[14]

Apr09
[9]
253
105
219
113
74
11
278
190
164
42
53
23
221
148
258
142
100
33
531
122
229
115
52
14
204
58
397
137
293
162
424
129



1544

May09






217
142
230
124
95
36




409
161
290
151




[10] [14]

Jun09






178
111
218
128
78
36




249
110
251
126




[10] [14]

Jul09
[9]
306
97
323
155
73
38
183
139
197
77
53
24
142
71
253
85
87
25
635
171
217
98
34
8
180
49
253
52
283
141
359
79



1309

Aug09



















[14]

Sep09



















[14]

Oct09
[9]
266
86
318
113
104
45
233
155
180
67
67
28
153
98
268
117
61
21
400
60
252
89
50
20
318
145
224
64
252
112
274
81



1301

Nov09
[12]



















Dec09
[12]



















2009
[9]



















16070
(proj.)

Jan10
[9]
154
63
194
94
56
37
367
258
221
106
69
36
90
52
180
76
48
21
378
63
123
62
28
4
237
85
262
98
225
130
211
76



1261

Feb10
[12]



















Mar10
[12]



















Apr10
[9]
222
90
197
96
78
37
249
160
321
158
68
34
127
85
213
84
51
18
440
176
244
122
93
18
321
166
285
111
283
162
253
112



1629

May10
[12]



















Jun10
[12]



















Jul10
[9]
247
89
332
145
81
26
306
176
326
113
0
138
85
235
113
67
24
455
131
228
100
0
0
0
0
0



1002

Aug10
[12]



















Sep10
[12]



















Oct10
[9]
198
77
393
175
119
55
192
95
467
176
0
159
91
282
106
76
22
465
153
280
94
0
0
0
0
0



1044

Nov10
[12]



















Dec10
[12]



















2010
[9]



















14808
(proj.)

Jan11
[9]
227
107
371
201
127
54
345
197
508
246
0
110
77
238
109
56
29
400
144
259
117
0
0
0
0
0



1281

Feb11
[12]



















Mar11
[12]



















Apr11
[9]
236
103
325
168
124
45
176
81
414
164
0
155
95
227
120
109
30
479
144
283
118
0
0
0
0
0



1068

May11
[12]



















Jun11
[12]



















Jul11
[9]
155
43
639
197
130
41
353
183
478
145
0
230
111
252
107
111
32
357
123
311
111
0
0
0
0
0



1093

Aug11
[12]



















Sep11



















[14]

Oct11
[9]
176
98
570
199
238
65
581
370
229
102
0
221
111
216
82
93
25
507
220
447
173
0
0
0
0
0



1445

Nov11
[12]

















[14]

Dec11
[12]



















2011
[9]



















14661
(proj.)

Jan12
154
87
549
140
124
49
335
206
380
178
0
191
110
239
77
88
30
402
144
289
131
0
0
0
0
0



2751
1152

Feb12

162
96
709
235
169
48
438
262
491
204
0
214
114
249
90
131
34
434
126
421
117
0
0
0
0
0



3418
1326

Mar12

140
74
753
250
171
50
480
224
676
154
0
212
118
169
57
182
55
488
149
463
163
0
0
0
0
0



3734
1294

Apr12
167
103
759
221
159
51
468
209
765
209
0
96
47
147
64
179
57
461
130
445
132
0
0
0
0
0



3646
1223

May12
163
87
828
235
188
69
569
229
803
250
0
0
[13]
144
65
204
51
535
156
546
198
0
0
0
0
0



3980
1340

Jun12
131
58
956
365
166
59
480
193
815
275
0
0
151
59
179
47
428
162
371
164
0
0
0
0
0



3677
1382

Jul12
171
63
780
239
148
41
429
161
701
144
0
0
57
24
128
24
371
83
411
157
0
0
0
0
0



3196
936

Aug12
172
76
745
155
221
70
557
246
879
160
0
0
94
50
182
34
455
140
433
162
0
0
0
0
0



3738
1093

Sep12
85
43
1419
267
252
81
507
232
806
202
0
0
157
57
122
24
390
152
445
171
0
0
0
0
0



4183
1229

Oct12
159
79
1426
294
218
90
584
294
678
219
0
0
132
66
130
27
504
188
506
242








4337
1499

Nov12

1185
419




0












3658
1556

Dec12

1028
350




0












3028
1335

2012
[9]



















15365

Jan13

960
230




0












2867
992

Feb13

1109
356




0












3098
1227

Mar13

1483
455




9
3












3480
1442

Apr13
143
96
1440
376
179
80
397
225
288
101
0
312
164
375
192
113
45
503
255
463
213
0
0
0
0
0



4213
1747

May13

1657
340

396
221















4585
1806

Jun13

1580
359

284
153















4132
1612

Jul13

1583
245

323
177















3879
1146

Aug13

1005
164

0
0















3359
1234

Sep13

1180
223

0
0















3558
1409

Oct13

1382
248

413
279















4096
1748

Nov13
229
171
1275
368
221
123
385
271
323
191
-
219
147
147
115
75
36
444
246
456
239
-
-
-
-
-



3774
1907

Dec13

1176
320

324
243















3398
1682

2013
[9]



















17952

Jan14

897
241

296
233















2936
1421

Feb14

813
219

346
248















3262
1507

Mar14

928
225

337
245















3298
1444

Apr14

1272
315

338
223















3800
1597

May14

1378
378

326
222















3657
1565

Jun14

1225
431

243
157















2511
1173

Jul14
168
88
1077
324
201
78
305
192
214
103

200
133
123
70
82
33
0
0
0
0








2370
1021

Aug14

1465
377

413
170















3665
1309

Sep14

1168
344

734
472















3532
1608

Oct14

1324
493

745
530















3536
1787

Nov14

1203
559

654
497















3247
1758

Dec14
225
126
1241
551
92
43
712
562
361
211

71
48
25
17
69
34
104
65
341
158








3241
1815

2014



















18005

Jan15



















2817
1549

Feb15



















3262
1507

Mar15



















2347
1262

Apr15



















2387
1152

May15



















2249
1138

Jun15



















1687
772

Jul15



C
L
O
S
E
D












2015
[2]



















15859
(proj.)

Cam #
[11]
AMBE
BEAM
BVHE
BVIN
BVMA
BVSE
D701
[13]
D703
GTSE
HEBV
HESI
INBV
LPSE
PAAM
PAPA
SELP






This table made using reports provided by the sheriff and City under the California Public Records Act.

2008-2009 spreadsheet, by sheriff

Mar. 2008 - Jan. 2012 RedFlex reports:

AMBE
BEAM
BVHE
BVIN
BVMA
BVSE
D701
D703
GTSE [13]

HEBV
HESI
INBV
LPSE
PAAM
PAPA
SELP


Feb. 2012 - Oct. 2012 RedFlex reports
Nov. 2012 - Apr. 2013 RedFlex reports
May 2013 - Mar. 2014 RedFlex reports
Mar. 2009 - July 2014 RedFlex reports
Aug. 2014 - Jan. 2015 RedFlex reports
Jan. 2015 - Mar. 2015 RedFlex reports
Apr. 2015 - June 2015 RedFlex reports

Footnotes:

[  ] indicates a footnote.
[1]  Except where noted otherwise, totals are as provided by the City.
[2]  The 2015 projection is based upon Jan. - May 2015.
[3]  Un-used columns are to allow for later expansion of City's system.
[4]  Except where noted otherwise, the figures given in the table are for the single calendar month indicated.  Any figures in red type (or, if you are looking at this table in black and white, the upper figure when there are two or more figures in a cell) are what RedFlex calls Total Violations, or all incidents recorded by the cameras.  The figures in black type are what RedFlex calls Notices Printed, and represent the sum of genuine citations issued (those filed with the court) plus any Nominations mailed (not filed with the court, a.k.a. Snitch Tickets). Due to time limitations data may have been posted to the table only for selected months or locations.  If there is sufficient public interest, the remaining months or locations will be posted.  Full official data has been received and is available at one of the links given above.
[5]  Monthly data was requested on:
[6]  The camera enforcement is believed to be on traffic on the first-named street, but the direction of enforcement (north, south, east, west, thru, left, right) is not yet available.
[8]  Data for this month, and the total for this month, is from a spreadsheet (see link above) created by the sheriff and received by highwayrobbery.net on 4-24-09.
[9]  The total for this month or year (or the projected annual total) was calculated by highwayrobbery.net.
[10] There is no total shown for this month as data was not requested for all cameras active during the month.
[11]  The title bar has been repeated solely for the convenience of the reader - there is no difference between it and the one at the top of the table.
[12]  Data for this month has not been requested.
[13]  In June 2012 a staff report in another city revealed (see bottom of page 2-3) that CalTrans had revoked an encroachment permit issued to the City of Victorville for a camera at D & 7th.  Later, CalTrans withdrew the revocation, and in March 2013 the City restarted the camera.
[14] The report for this month is available at one of the links above but there is no total posted for this month as the reports for some early months were not requested until 2014 - by which time six of the cameras had been shut down and evidently dropped from the database.






City of Victorville Docs Set # 2
"Late Time" Graphs

The City provided bar graphs of Late Times, etcetera.  Or, an equivalent table.
These graphs (or tables) track violations recorded, not tickets issued.
Where there is a large number of long Late Time violations in a curb lane, it is believed to indicate heavy ticketing on right turns.
(The curb lane will be the lane with the highest lane number.)

Grand Terrace late times bar chart
The picture above is an example from another city.

July 2008:

AMBE
BEAM
BVHE
BVIN
BVMA
BVSE
GTSE
HEBV
HESI
INBV
LPSE
SELP

July 2009 (big file)

July 2011:

AMBE
BEAM
BVHE
BVIN
BVMA
D701
D703
GTSE
HEBV
HESI

July 2014 (all cameras except BVHE)

Bar graphs are available for more than fifty other cities - see the list in the expanded version of Defect # 9.




City of Victorville Docs Set # 3
Short Yellows?  Short Greens?

This July 2009
article said that some of Victorville's yellows were set too short.  The follow-up article mentioned is not available on the 'net, but it said:
"The Daily Press has found that the majority are exactly at the legal limit, while a couple are a fraction of a second below what they should be.  The light for drivers heading south on Amargosa Road through Bear Valley Road, for example, repeatedly measures 3.5 seconds when it should be 3.6 seconds."
The Daily Press did not reveal how it measured the length of the yellows, or the identity of any other intersection(s) with short yellows.


This Mar. 2015 comment on an article in the Daily Press suggests that some of the greens are too short.

"I think the signal at Bear Valley and Amargosa is a joke. If you are leaving Walmart toward Palmdale Road on Amargosa and wait forever for the red light to turn green only two or three cars get through before it turns red again. I counted (I was there long enough) the light stayed green six seconds. GREEN! Thousand one, thousand two, thousand three, thousand four, thousand five, thousand six --> RED. You're stuck there again. Unbelievable, a four year old could do better at traffic engineering."




City of Victorville Docs Set # 4
Contract is Cost Neutral, Way Over-Priced, City Owes RedFlex $1.7 Million

Closed June 30, 2015

Like the cities of Baldwin Park, Capitola, Citrus Heights, Highland, South San Francisco and Walnut, Victorville failed to hold the formal public hearing required by CVC 21455.6 before it approved the original contract in Oct. 2007 - see the expanded version of Defect # 6.

The original contract would have expired in Mar. 2013.

On March 16, 2010 the city council approved a
contract amendment ( signed copy ) to remove six low-performing cameras and to extend the term of the contract, making the new expiration occur in either March or June 2015.  During the extension the City will continue to pay $6000 per month rent for each of the ten remaining cameras - a total of $1.4 million over the (approx.) 24 months added by the amendment. 
Other cities which extended their contracts agreed to pay roughly $3000 per month per camera.  For example,
Ventura renewed their 18 cameras at $1800 per month, Santa Clarita renewed their ten cameras at $4000 per month, Garden Grove renewed their 14 cameras at $2900 per month, South Gate renewed their 14 cameras at $2829 per month,  Escondido renewed their 15 cameras at $2833 per month, and Gardena renewed their ten cameras at $3500 per month. 

For more info about how much other cities pay, and how some of them negotiated their lower prices, see FAQ # 17.

It has been suggested that the City's agreement to pay the above-market rent during the extension was necessary to gain RedFlex' agreement to remove the six cameras.  In the original contract Section 6.2 (deleted by the 2010 amendment) allowed the City to terminate for convenience during the first year and set out a formula for calculating the exact cost of removal.  If we use that formula, the $146,287 payment to Redflex (provided for in the amendment) should have been enough to compensate Redflex for the removal, leaving no need to further compensate them by extending the contract, much less paying the above-market $6000 rent (an extra $700,000) during the extension.

The 2010 contract amendment did not remove the cost neutrality clause.  City invoices and spreadsheets received here in May 2013 showed that the City had underpaid RedFlex $1.3 million and owed the company that amount.  Later invoices and spreadsheets showed that by Nov. 2014 the amount underpaid had risen to $1.7 million.

The contract amendment includes the automatic renewal of the contract, in 2015. 
(Contract renewal should never be automatic!)


Closed June 30, 2015


At the council meeting of Mar. 17, 2015 the sheriff presented accident and financial figures claiming, among other things, an amazing 92% decrease in accidents.  Safer Streets LA submitted a report critical of those accident figures, highwayrobbery.net submitted a letter critical of the accident figures as well as the contract price, and some local residents spoke at the meeting.
T
he council voted 4 - 1 (Kennedy, nay) to cancel the contract. 

On Mar. 19 the Victorville Daily Press published an editorial in favor of the cameras.  In that editorial they repeated the sheriff's claim of a 92% reduction of accidents, without questioning it.

On Aug. 24 the Daily Press published an article saying that a contractor had taken out a permit to do the work to remove the cameras.  Prior to hearing that good news, here is the warning highwayrobbery.net posted here on this page:
 
"Despite that (4 - 1) vote, later on there could be another council discussion about negotiating a new contract, perhaps with fewer cameras.  Victorville area residents will need to remain vigilant, because red light cameras can be switched back on overnight, so long as the camera housings remain in place.  For that reason, and because visible red light camera equipment can cause rear-end accidents, Victorville residents should encourage the City to require RedFlex to remove the equipment immediately after the June 30 expiration date. "
"A recent example of a City which has been slow to remove its cameras is Oceanside, where the cameras continued to flash for at least a month after ticketing ended.  Oceanside's correspondence with RedFlex suggests that the company encouraged that slowness.  (See Set # 2 on the Oceanside Docs page.)"

Even with the removal of the camera equipment, Victorville's camera nightmare won't be over.  The contract requires that for a year after the June 2015 termination date, the City has to give RedFlex whatever fine money comes in from the court - to pay down the $1.7 million outstanding balance.

The listing of contracts and amendments above was up-to-date as of Mar. 2015.





City of Victorville Docs Set # 5
Who Gets the Tickets?


The sheriff's report for the Mar. 17, 2015 council meeting (available at link in Set # 4, above) included a pie chart showing that 73% of the tickets go to visitors to town.





City of Victorville Docs Set # 6
2011:  Class Action


The cameras were discussed (staff report) at the Mar. 1, 2011 Victorville City Council meeting, and private-sector attorney Brandon Wood agreed to work with the City to attempt to find a way for the City to end its contract with Redflex. 
  By April 27, the city attorney had made multiple attempts to contact Wood, to no avail.
On Dec. 14, 2011 there was an
article indicating a possible class action suit by attorney Robert Conaway, and in Mar. 2015 that suit was dismissed by the court.





City of Victorville Docs Set # 7
Appeal Victories


In Dec. 2010 and June 2012 Victorville defendants won appeals on their tickets.  For more details, go
here and see the Macias and Winters cases.




City of Victorville Docs Set # 8
More Coming?


There may be some more Victorville information posted in the next few weeks.  Mark your calendar to remind you to come back here and look!



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