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At the Aug. 24, 2004 court trials, Officer Mark
noted that the
city had filed, with the court, a survey of the timing
lights. This is that survey, obtained through a
request made to the City.
is clear to me that were Hawthorne to raise their
left-yellows to 4.0
seconds, there would be a huge decrease in red light
running, as there
was in Mesa,
the entire city
council, to make that change. I showed them the
figures. But, as Mr. Prentice said, "We're not
gonna change it."
A Change Occurs, Anyway
Oct. 14, 2004 I made a Public Records Act request for
the signal timing
charts for Hawthorne's four camera-monitored
(Signal timing charts show the length of the yellow, as
programmed into the signal controller.) I asked
present signal timing settings. Also any
(with) settings in use Jan. 1, 2003 or thereafter."
request was sent to the County Department of Public
maintains and programs Hawthorne's signals. On
Nov. 10 I received
the charts. The sole Hawthorne / El Segundo chart,
showed the same settings indicated in Mr. Smith's
But there were two different charts for Rosecrans /
newest one, dated 9-29-04, showed a 4.0-second yellow
northbound Hindry - different from Mr. Smith's letter.
The other chart, below, was completed in 2001, and
the 3.0-second yellow mentioned in Mr. Smith's letter.
Since drivers in the northbound
left-turn lane have the option of going straight across
shopping center), I believe that the yellow was
lengthened because 3.0
seconds would be too short for that straight-through
The new Rosecrans /
chart did not include a lengthening of the yellow
for the westbound left turn ("WBL"), Phase 5. It
remains at 3.0
seconds. However, some of the supplemental pages
(the charts are
actually 17 pages long, each) included some changes to
the lengths of
various times of day. Those changes are presented
in the table
Table made by highwayrobbery.net
On Nov. 23 I made a Public Records Act request (to
Public Works Dept.) for "the radar speed checks and
any other measurements of traffic conditions, speed or
ordered, or considered, as part of the Department's
the timing of the signals at Rosecrans/Hindry and
City of Hawthorne."
On Dec. 10 I received the following June 14, 2004 chart,
showing a 34
mph 85th Percentile speed on Hindry. There
are no speed
limit signs posted on Hindry.
Each "x" represents one car in the speed sampling of 100
At the trials of Jan.
2005, Officer Mullen testified that the City was asking
(which maintains and sets the signal) to change the
yellow back to 3.0.
Hawthorne Docs Set # 2
Nominations (a.k.a. Snitch Tickets) probably explains,
See the table's footnotes for further details.
This table made by highwayrobbery.net, using official city documents obtained under the California Public Records Act.
( ) indicates a footnote.
Hawthorne Docs Set # 3
The City has provided bar graphs
of Late Times, etcetera, for all of its cameras.
Bar graphs are available for more than
other cities - see the list
in the expanded version of Defect # 9.
Hawthorne Docs Set # 4
I have not been able to find a red light camera program info page on either the City's or the police department's website.
Hawthorne's Rosecrans / Hindry intersection with its
enforcement on left and right turns, is an
excellent example of an intersection where there is
justification for the use of the cameras. Here
can look at the official 10-year accident history for
and decide for yourself. (Big file! 400 kb)
Hawthorne Docs Set # 6
In Oct. 18, 2012 the Grand Jury indicted current
Mayor Daniel Juarez on two felony counts of perjury,
related to his
acceptance of a $2000 cash "campaign donation" from a
local firm which
the City lent $2.5 million.
Before Juarez, the longtime Mayor of Hawthorne
Larry Guidi. GuidiWatch.com
discusses the 2010 charging of Guidi for grand
theft of a commercial dough mixer from
his (now former) employer, the local school
district. Guidi chose
2011. He pled guilty
in Feb. 2012.
Before Guidi ran into trouble, his friend and fellow
Velez was indicted for felony conflict of interest in
and pled guilty in Feb. 2008.
Hawthorne Docs Set # 8
This Hindry-Rosecrans right-turn trial transcript shows how close a judge can come to convicting you - when it may not have been you - and also is an example of what may be improper arm-twisting by a judge.
Hawthorne Docs Set # 9
The 2009 contract included, in its
D, an illegal "cost neutrality" clause. (See
Defect # 10
The contract possibly provides
monetary sanction against the
city if city traffic engineers lengthen the yellows.
The 2009 contract will expire in 2014,
although the contract provides for two one-year
extensions, at the
On Mar. 13, 2012 the council voted to make the following amendments to the contract.
Section 6.2 allows the City to cancel the
program at any time, on 30 days notice.
Cost neutrality was replaced with an
evaluation of the "financial feasibility" of the program.
The vote was 3 - 0, with English,
and Juarez voting yes and Vargas and Valentine
abstaining (the minutes
do not explain why they abstained).
Details of some 2004 - 2006 trials of Hawthorne tickets are at: Hawthorne Chronology.