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City of Commerce Documents
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It may be possible to completely ignore a City of Commerce ticket.
1.  If your "ticket" does not have the Superior Court's name and address on it, it is a fake ticket, which I call a "Snitch Ticket."  For more details about Snitch Tickets, see the Snitch Ticket section at the top of the Your Ticket page
.
2.  The LA County Superior Court does not report ignored red light camera tickets to the DMV.  More info is in "Countywide Information," which is Docs Set # 2 on the LA County Documents page.

 
  City of Commerce Docs Set # 1
Ticket Counts

New 3-18-09, updated  3-28-13

Total Violations Recorded (in red type), Notices Printed [4]

Cam #

ATTG
03L
ATTG
03R
EASL
01
SLEA
01
SLGA
01
SLGA
03
TEGA
01
TEGA
03
TGAT
01








Atlantic
SB
at
Tele-
graph
(bend to
left)


Atlantic
SB
at
Tele-
graph
(bend to
right)


Eastern
NB
at
Slauson
(thru,
left,
right)
Slauson
EB
at
Eastern
(thru,
left,
right)
Slauson
at
Garfield
(thru,
left,
right)
[6]
Slauson
at
Garfield
(thru,
 left,
right)
[6]
Tele-
graph
EB
at
Garfield
(thru,
left,
right)
[7]
Tele-
graph
WB
at
Garfield
(thru,
left,
right)

Tele-
graph
WB
at
Atlantic
(thru,
left,
right)


[3]

Total
Notices
Printed
as %
of Vio-
lations
Re-
corded
Total
Violations
Recorded/
Notices
Printed
[1] [4]

Sep07
















Oct07
















Nov07
243
101
195
232
0
0
0
0
100





1803
871

Dec07
525
193
158
125
0
0
0
0
122





2498
1123

2007
















Jan08
718
366
260
163
254
149
232
150
15
20
14
799
314
218
104





2635
1295

Feb08
380
129
116
120
15
31
33
592
285
131





2573
1240

Mar08
456
213
155
123
181
56
51
436
135
108





3037
1478

Apr08
337
146
109
76
144
24
26
373
152
69





2704
1083

May08
273
140
80
59
69
15
33
235
108
42





2252
819

Jun08
224
80
95
61
84
11
28
286
127
28





1940
738

Jul08
375
184
234
127
225
79
248
69
259
68
14
15
269
87
120
26





1866
669

Aug08
266
176
104
64
27
17
31
148
55
38





1751
778

Sep08
227
158
113
97
103
42
39
395
210
49





1932
1038

Oct08
290
156
134
128
152
59
43
720
390
48





2487
1400

Nov08
223
111
102
103
202
39
42
560
304
28





2211
1154

Dec08
404
56
82
63
146
34
61
442
228
44





2240
1118

2008
















Jan09
[9]
500
247
217
83
182
96
131
79
335
152
24
32
481
239
113
35





2119
987

Feb09
379
185
125
155
65
55
107
20
33
360
169
21





1749
780

Mar09
203
98
125
175
68
64
143
32
35
507
262
24





1848
851

Apr09
311
183
113
190
81
72
104
19
25
467
236
36





1795
869

May09
[8]
130
75
120
168
86
59
117
27
27
529
262
39





1692
812

Jun09
116
49
52
150
67
47
117
8
21
393
202
33





1441
596

Jul09
[9]
80
35
208
101
192
89
222
81
162
51
8
6
510
268
107
41





1520
680

Aug09
[9]
0
356
193
172
73
182
48
211
54
8
7
473
196
25





1561
604

Sep09
[9]
78
28
265
157
249
118
177
73
227
96
15
20
431
209
51





1629
767

Oct09
122
62
303
156
129
69
137
71
166
58
50
25
51
17
488
227
108
44





1554
729

Nov09














1339
687

Dec09














1432
746

2009
















Jan10
[9]
78
45
303
207
92
43
125
91
178
68
39
20
60
28
347
165
79
30





1301
697

Feb10














1293
674

Mar10














1535
838

Apr10
[9]
70
30
396
233
115
57
130
39
244
98
20
9
59
24
371
195
88
31





1493
716

May10














1545
700

Jun10














1393
623

Jul10
[9]
54
20
434
215
148
67
182
42
212
98
29
8
44
21
382
186
105
39





1590
696

Aug10














1967
924

Sep10














1849
782

Oct10
[9]
146
76
337
200
138
61
195
96
196
96
70
22
70
27
378
179
96
31





1626
788

Nov10














1448
752

Dec10














1396
712

2010
















Jan11
[9]
111
56
225
139
121
54
168
96
152
80
76
27
67
30
337
166
98
32





1355
680

Feb11














1299
590

Mar11














1488
667

Apr11
[9]
150
75
228
129
113
43
181
83
206
87
60
14
24
9
371
174
103
38





1436
652

May11














1541
618

Jun11














1718
670

Jul11
[9]
129
30
256
153
144
57
236
81
202
90
90
25
72
25
513
196
116
37





1758
694

Aug11
[9]
187
70
272
161
200
98
329
151
270
105
125
46
90
34
537
208
153
51





2163
924

Sep11
[9]
150
74
241
150
184
97
319
164
255
131
122
54
84
22
635
330
98
43





2088
1065

Oct11
[9]
212
107
278
167
210
124
301
161
253
134
92
44
95
43
704
350
130
57





2275
1187

Nov11
[9]
241
114
276
156
162
67
265
148
234
90
94
42
84
40
567
265
79
37





2002
959

Dec11
[9]
326
162
334
194
220
116
231
138
108
52
76
29
107
50
635
340
165
77





2202
1158

2011
















Jan12
[9]
162
86
297
173
170
73
200
118
164
78
73
31
91
26
542
291
112
41





1811
917

Feb12
[9]
243
121
282
149
179
83
231
126
261
125
112
51
83
41
553
255
133
61





2077
1012

Mar12
[9]
244
114
312
129
197
104
227
90
306
125
115
48
102
22
557
222
159
38





2219
892

Apr12
[9]
245
102
282
143
189
99
261
128
323
127
107
31
83
35
603
284
151
58





2244
1007

May12
[9]
272
128
371
237
206
113
247
105
268
101
50
17
110
52
632
288
139
60





2295
1101

Jun12
[9]
325
168
318
202
236
127
311
146
300
126
114
54
101
45
712
373
166
78





2583
1319

Jul12
[9]
326
202
423
278
209
114
293
134
267
134
78
33
121
62
697
375
180
91





2594
1423

Aug12
[9]

462
296












2772
1494

Sep12
[9]

413
249












2537
1147

Oct12
[9]

411
256












2628
1322

Nov12
[9]

332
189












2348
1227

Dec12
[9]
349
153
261
150
217
137
281
190
234
124
50
27
105
55
592
320
184
97





2270
1253

2012
















Jan13
208
92
298
174
187
107
239
149
215
114
44
27
109
55
553
288
153
67





2006
1073

Feb13
[5]
















Mar13
[5]
















Apr13
















May13
















Jun13
















Jul13
















Aug13
















Sep13
















Oct13
















Nov13
















Dec13
















2013
















Cam #

ATTG
03L
ATTG
03R
EASL
01
SLEA
01
SLGA
01
SLGA
03
TEGA
01
TEGA
03
TGAT
01








Atlantic
SB
at
Tele-
graph
(bend to
left)


Atlantic
SB
at
Tele-
graph
(bend to
right)


Eastern
NB
at
Slauson
(thru,
 left,
 right)
Slauson
EB
at
Eastern
(thru,
left,
right)
Slauson
at
Garfield
(thru,
 left,
 right)
[6]
Slauson
at
Garfield
(thru,
left,
right)
[6]
Tele-
graph
EB
at
Garfield
(thru,
left,
right)
[7]
Tele-
graph
WB
at
Garfield
(thru,
left,
right)

Tele-
graph
WB
at
Atlantic
(thru,
left,
right)


[3]

Total
Notices
Printed
as %
of Vio-
lations
Re-
corded
Total
Violations
Recorded/
Notices
Printed
[1] [4]


This table made by highwayrobbery.net, using official reports obtained under the California Public Records Act.

Official reports, 2009 - 2011
More official reports, 2009 - 2012
Official reports, 2012 early
Official reports, 2012 late
Official report, Jan. 2013

[  ] indicates a footnote.
[1]  Totals are as provided by the City.
[2]  YTD = Year-to-date total.
[3]  Un-used columns are to allow for later expansion of City's system.
[4]  Any figures in red type (or, if you are looking at this table in black and white, the upper figure when there are two or more figures in a cell) are what RedFlex calls Total Violations, or all incidents recorded by the cameras, and due to time limitations may have been posted here only for selected months or locations.  If there is sufficient public interest, the remaining months will be posted.  The figures in black type are what RedFlex calls Notices Printed, and represent the sum of genuine citations issued (those filed with the court) plus any Nominations mailed (not filed with the court, a.k.a. Snitch Tickets).
[5]  Data was requested on 3-11-13.
[6]  The camera enforcement is believed to be on traffic on the first-named street, but the direction of enforcement (north, south, east, west, thru, left, right) is not yet available.
[7]  City claims it does not camera-enforce the posted "no turn on red" signs.
[8]  Yellow lengthened at ATTG-03L - see Set # 2, below.
[9]  Bar graphs (see Set # 3, below) have been received for all the months annotated [9] in the table above, but due to time limitations have been posted below only for selected months.  If there is public interest, the remaining months will be posted.

This table made by highwayrobbery.net, using official monthly tabulations of citations actually issued.




City of Commerce Docs Set # 2
Longer Yellow at Atlantic/Telegraph Cuts Violations by Two-Thirds

The City lengthened the yellow for the southbound partial left turn at Atlantic and Telegraph, from 3 seconds, to 4 seconds, sometime after March 25, 2009, probably on May 11.  Here are the charts, exactly as pdf'd and sent to me by the City on May 12 and 13.
Old (2001) Chart
New (2009) Chart
Notes for the charts: 
The length of the yellow for the southbound partial left turn is given in Column 1, Row E of the table in the upper left-hand corner of page 1.  The date of the change is believed to be May 11, although the 'month' digit of the handwritten "date completed" on the 2009 signal timing chart is not fully formed.

The length of the yellow has a great effect on the number of red light camera tickets issued -
the longer yellow at Atlantic/Telegraph cut the number of violations by two-thirds (see the first column in the table, above).  For another example of the effect of a one-second increase in the yellow for a left turn, see the large table on the Mesa Documents page




City of Commerce Docs Set # 3
"Late Time" Graphs


 The City provided bar graphs of Late Times, etcetera, for all nine cameras.
These graphs track violations recorded, not tickets issued.
Where there is a large number of long Late Time violations in a curb lane, it is believed to indicate heavy ticketing on right turns.
(The curb lane will be the lane with the highest lane number.)

Grand Terrace late times bar chart
The bar graph above is an example from another city.

ATTG-03L Jan 2009
ATTG-03L Jul 2009
ATTG-03L Aug 2009
ATTG-03L Sep 2009
ATTG-03L Sep 2011
ATTG-03L Jul 2012

ATTG-03R Jul 2009
ATTG-03R Aug 2009
ATTG-03R Sep 2009
ATTG-03R Sep 2011
ATTG-03R Jul 2012

EASL-01 Jul 2009
EASL-01 Aug 2009
EASL-01 Sep 2009
EASL-01 Sep 2011
EASL-01 Jul 2012

SLEA-01 Jul 2009
SLEA-01 Aug 2009
SLEA-01 Sep 2009
SLEA-01 Sep 2011
SLEA-01 Jul 2012

SLGA-01 Jan 2009
SLGA-01 Jul 2009
SLGA-01 Aug 2009
SLGA-01 Sep 2009
SLGA-01 Sep 2011
SLGA-01 Jul 2012

SLGA-03 Jul 2009
SLGA-03 Aug 2009
SLGA-03 Sep 2009
SLGA-03 Sep 2011
SLGA-03 Jul 2012

TEGA-01 Jul 2009
TEGA-01 Aug 2009
TEGA-01 Sep 2009
TEGA-01 Sep 2011
TEGA-01 Jul 2012

TEGA-03 Jan 2009
TEGA-03 Jul 2009
TEGA-03 Aug 2009
TEGA-03 Sep 2009
TEGA-03 Sep 2011
TEGA-03 Jul 2012

TGAT-01 Jul 2009
TGAT-01 Aug 2009
TGAT-01 Sep 2009
TGAT-01 Sep 2011
TGAT-01 Jul 2012

All cameras, Jan2013

Bar graphs have been received for the additional months annotated [9] in the multi-colored table above,
but due to time limitations have been posted here only for selected months. 
If there is public interest, the remaining months will be posted.

Bar graphs are available for more fifty than other cities - see the list in the expanded version of Defect # 9.




City of Commerce Docs Set # 4
The Contracts and Amendments

2007 Contract

In Jan. 2007 the City signed a contract with a term of five years beginning upon the installation date of the first camera.

On Nov. 5, 2012 the City extended the contract three years.  They got a lower price but still will pay $345,600 too much over the three years (when compared with a $3000 target price).  See FAQ # 17.

Further problems with the 2012 contract extension:

1.  It has no escape clause (Termination for Convenience), something commonly found in other cities' contracts.
2.  The contract adds a Halo (collision avoidance) system.  I am aware of only one operational Halo system, which is in Marysville, California.  I have made several formal requests to Marysville asking for copies of reports about the efficacy of that system, and so far have been told there is no report.  At a minimum, the City of Commerce contract should have stated the price for the Halo system as a separate item - as it is in the Marysville contract - so that when the Halo system is removed from the City of Commerce the extra charge will go away.
3.  The new contract says:  "The Customer may exercise the right NOT to extend the term... by written notice to Redflex not less than 30 days prior to the last day of the initial term...." )  Renewal should never be automatic.  Renewals should occur only after a review by the City Council. 

This list of contracts and amendments may not be up-to-date - there could be a contract or amendment later than the one listed above.





City of Commerce Docs Set # 5
More Coming

There may be some more Commerce information posted in the next few weeks.  Mark your calendar to remind you to come back here and look!




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